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Comment by Ms. S on August 13, 2012 at 5:39am

That would be great, and hopefully we don't get in trouble for this thread..never thought about it to be honest.  I'm taking over a class of almost finished esthetic students who haven't done anything except a basic facial so I'm trying to cram as much in as possible...thank you!

Comment by Susan Nathan on August 12, 2012 at 3:51pm

Michelle,  I use a product which I formulate, Nutrifoliant.  It is a mixture of nutrients and clays with dermabrasion crystals.  Mix it with any facial cleanser, let it dry, turns into a mask.  Or, just rinse it off after application.  I will send a sample to you if you like.  By the way, I have been curious if it is allowed to respond to comments by suggesting products on this site.  If not,  I  cancel this message.  I also have a product called SkinAmino Mask, a proprietary blend of amino acids, nutrients and clays.  Just let me know.

Comment by Ms. S on August 12, 2012 at 3:40pm

Hi there, looking for a homemade or a cheap gommage mask to demo for my students and of course let them try it out themselves...thanks!!

Comment by Susan Nathan on August 7, 2012 at 1:38pm

As an esthetician, I prefer professionally formulated products that are sold to estheticians only.  However, I have observed professional products for sale in a local skin care store that specializes in offering professional products 'without going to an esthetician.'  They have claimed in the past to have an esthetician 'on site,' but they do not use her license to purchase product.  Apparently being an esthetician's landlord was enough for these companies to sell the unlicensed owner of a skin care shop professional products.  My conclusion is that if 'professional only' does not really mean just that, I can see why esty's opt for MLM products.  There appears to be no viable market protection either way.

Comment by Carrie Patrick on July 27, 2012 at 8:55am

I think this is the ONLY time I've ever seen a discussion about the pros and cons of MLMs that wasn't a big angry argument and/or full of people trying to recruit for their own sales! You guys are awesome! We all know this is something that most estheticians have strong feelings about, and it's definitely something that affects the profession. So it's really good to see it being talked about politely from both sides.

Comment by paula teal on July 26, 2012 at 5:58pm

I overwhelmingly have to agree with Bridgette. I myself am an RN as well as an esty. When I come across products that ANYBODY can get , I equate that to buying something out of Walgreens or Walmart. It just doesn't have all of the fancy marketing money behind it sometimes. True professional grade products have higher percentages of active ingredients. These types of products are entrusted to us as estys & medical estys because of our formal educations & certifications. True professional dermalogical product manufacturers & formulators hold us to a higher level of standard & trust regarding the pecentage levels of specific active igredients because of our explicit knowledge of skincare. I don't use Nerium, oil of olay, dove (lol) etc & call myself a professional of skincare. Professional skincare products are made & formulated for use by skincare professionals not skincare consultants. Just my lil opinion.

Comment by Christine Byer Esthetics on July 26, 2012 at 5:50pm

This is an issue that I've been on both sides of. It will go on forever. Lots and lots of discussions like these on different skincare forums. I guess it's all a matter of personal choice. This is an mlm that just happens to be in skincare. They will always exist and esties will always vehemently argue both sides. isn't it great we live Ina country were we have lots of choices and independence to pursue our dreams, however we see them. I love doing facials and working on clients, but they only pay me for the work I do. I really like the idea of duplicating myself. Trading time for money never gets me ahead unless I save scrupulously and invest perfectly. I do neither very well. So I like the idea of residuals. Can't an educated esty have both? Are we that against earning a decent income? Is that why the average esty's salary is $40k. Does that make sense? I want to offer the very best to clients and simultaneously insure a good future for my family. This company allows me to do both. I am aware of both sides. I was the one aguing against mlms before. This product caused me to have a change of heart.

Comment by Diane Magos on July 26, 2012 at 4:29pm

You are completely right Brigitte.  I was in Mary Kay before becoming a student of Esthetics.  I am spending thousands of dollars to become a liciensed Esty. I also have to have insurance at school (Thanks ASCP) and as a Profession (very soon) I will have to have insurance. Now with Avon or Mary Kay, or Neruium, any one can sell it, and they do not need to be a Professional Esthetician nor do they have to carry insurance.  I trust the Mary Kay director to understand Mary Kay, how to sell it, and how to get that pyramid, arms, down lines, uplines started. But she knew nothing at all about true skin care.  I choose to stick with Professional lines of skin care that clients can only get through me, that are designed and marketed to only Professionals. That is why I am paying thousands of dollars now, to be one of those professionals. If I wanted to remain in the MLM and sell products only, I would still be with Mary Kay. 

Comment by Brigitte McDonald on July 26, 2012 at 3:57pm

Annabelle:  I see the bigger picture just fine.  There is one fatal flaw with the MLM lines:  Not solely sold by professionals.  That's great that you all are professionals and you know your stuff and able to help clients with it, but there are plenty of non-professionals doing just the same, who don't know anything, receive no training, no formal licensing and make recommendations about skincare.  Nerium claims to be "dermatological grade" yet is sold by housewives.  This doesn't bother you? The clients who like the MLM can buy it from them just the same as they can buy it from you.  Bigger picture:  Your profession is being equated to an Avon Lady.  We didn't get these licenses, get board certified and pay thousands of dollars for training to be equated to your average Avon lady.  It's obvious that MLM companies use housewives for the sales because it's a fast cheap way to make money.  It's great if you sell it and it works for you but my opinion is to support companies who support us estheticians and don't sell to the general public.  Who trust us to make the right decision, to help them not get sued and add value to their product by having a professional sell it.  If I were Nerium, I'd be concerned about getting sued from a bad reaction, especially because anybody sells it.  Makes you wonder how effective it actually is, if they are not concerned about using professionals.  Just my opinion.

Comment by Annabelle Ramos on July 26, 2012 at 1:39pm

I agree with Robin. I was a consultant for the ARTISTRY SKIN CARE & Cosmetics way before becoming an Esthetician. I became an Esthetician to add value to my clients who are already using the ARTISTRY line who have been in business for over 50 years. I am constantly getting new clients from referrals of my current clients.

MLM or not, if you believe in what the products can do for you and your clients, then go ahead. In this economy if your client benefits from your products and services then follow your heart and don't listen to anyone who dont see the bigger picture.

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